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Master Your Genes to Shape Your Life (a Pioneer in Science Shares His Wisdom)



In this post, special guest Bruce Lipton, PhD shares how to go from victim of your genes to master over them so you can shape the life you want. You can overcome social anxiety and keep going once you understand how this works.

Learn how to control your response to your environment and break the programming learned from early childhood.

Here are some things you’ll learn:

  • how to go from victim to master over your life
  • the power of the placebo effect
  • how our lives are programs, but we can do something about it
  • 3 ways to reprogram your overcome your programs
  • how to quickly eliminate your problems (including social anxiety)

Learn how to master your life and rewrite the program handed to you. You can overcome your social anxiety and any other problem if you understand how it all works. That is the journey we will take you on. There are many relatable stories that will help paint the picture.

Even if you are just starting your journey, know that this powerful information that you can use to shape your life however you want it to be.


Sebastiaan: Alright, welcome to Social Anxiety Solutions – Your journey to social confidence. My name is Sebastiaan van der Schrier and I’m an ex social anxiety disorder sufferer and thanks to energy psychology and the help of some brilliant therapists I’ve been able to become free of anxiety and I’m comfortable and at ease in social situations. Now on this show I interview various experts from both Western traditional psychology as well as Eastern energy psychology and I do that in order to share the best social anxiety solutions with you.

Now today I’m very excited because I’m interviewing Dr. Bruce Lipton on whether social anxiety is something you have due to poor genes or maybe due to something else. So, here’s a bit about Bruce and I’m gonna read this to you because it’s quite a bit.

Bruce Lipton is a PhD and he’s a former medical school professor and research scientist who made a revolutionary discovery during his research studies in the late 1980s, which is around when I was born, when he was doing research at Stanford University School of Medicine. His studies revealed that the environment operating through the cell membrane controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell turning genes on and off.

These discoveries which ran counter to the established scientific view that life is controlled by the genes priests aged one of today’s most important fields of study, the science of epigenetics. The implications of his findings radically changed our understanding of life. It showed that genes and DNA do not control our biology. That instead DNA is controlled by signals from outside the cell including the energetic messages emanating from our positive and negative thoughts.

Now if this sounds be complicated to you to put it more bluntly we are not victims of our genes. Bruce’s research helps us to understand we’re in control of our life and that we can take control you know we are control of her life by taking control of her inner wiring. Bruce is the best-selling author of The Biology of Belief it’s been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows and he’s kind of a superstar in the in this whole field so I’m very honored to have him on the show. Thanks for being here Bruce.

Bruce Lipton: Sebastiaan, thank you for this opportunity and you know I really so appreciate this chance to communicate with the community that you work with for a very important reason because most of us have been programmed the belief that genes control our life and as far as we know we didn’t pick the genes we came with and if we don’t like the characteristics you can’t change the genes.

And then you start to realize well if genes are turning on and off and you’d had nothing to do with that then your life is not under your control, it’s under the control of these genes and you become a what we call a victim of heredity. Oh, it’s running in my family my father was this way and my grandfather was this way and we buy into that belief.

Go from victim to master of your genes

Well, the problem with the moment you say you’re a victim is the moment you say I have no power. Victim means no power. And so, medicine from the 1950s on until very recently has really pushed the belief that genes turn on and off and, in the process, control our lives and then we’re the victims and the medical community is the hero that comes in and helps us with our genes and all that kind of stuff and drugs and medications and all that.

Well, there’s the new science that you mentioned in the introduction and it’s called epigenetics. You talked about the conventional belief genetic control. This character is under genetic control, okay? Social anxiety is an expression of genetic control. That’s the old storyline and that belief all of a sudden says well geez to get rid of my social anxiety I got to change my genes and I go well that’s the old belief because the new science which has replaced that is called epigenetics. You go up genetics epigenetics it sounds the same. I go no, no it is a revolution and I’ll tell you why. When I say genetic control the old belief simply means controlled by genes but when I say epigenetic control the new science epi means above. So, when I say epigenetic control it reads as control above the genes. What do you mean? I said the entire belief that genes turn on and off and regulate themselves is completely false, completely a mistake and now the new science is this revolution it says genes are turned on and off by what’s going on in the environment and more importantly what our perception of the environment is.

So, if we change our perception we can change our genes, and this is all the sudden says oh wait a minute: genetic control – old story-victim. Epigenetic control – new story – mastery. I am the master of my genes the genes don’t turn on and off by themselves, they are controlled by my response to the environment, my perception of the environment. I changed my environment, I changed my perception and changed my genetics.

The power of the placebo effect

Now some people think well that’s the kind of new age-y stuff, I go well listen this revolution is so important, but it explains things that we’ve known for years but it was never able to understand. I’ll give a simple example – the placebo effect. What’s the placebo effect?

Well, a person sick with some disease and the doctor says oh look here’s the greatest new medicine that’s going to heal you and the person takes the medicine and they get better but then find out that the medicine was just a sugar pill. And you say well what healed you? Well, obviously not the sugar pill it was your belief in the sugar pill. Your perception that now that I take this pill I’m going to get healed that’s what caused the healing. Changing the percept, the belief of the individual.

And this becomes profoundly important because it explains how thought changes our health and it’s very interesting because most people heard of placebo. Yeah, the sugar pill the fake surgery whatever it is we think turns out it wasn’t a cost it was only our belief in the pill, our belief in the surgery that cost that and that’s called placebo and that’s about positive thinking if you know, that’s basically it is. I have a negative illness and I need positive thinking and placebo comes in.

What I think is very important that people need to know is well, placebos a result of positive thinking and in other words a positive thought can heal you like oh yes, but the question becomes more important now Sebastiaan and that is what about a negative thought? I mean we’re talking positive thoughts and a placebo but what about negative thought? And here’s the most important fact. A negative thought is equally powerful in controlling your biology, but it works in the opposite direction of a positive thought.

A positive thought can heal me now listen to this fact a negative thought can cause any disease in the world. It can kill you just because you believe oh my god I’m gonna die. If you truly believe it you’ll die and what’s the point? We are not victims of our heredity. We’re not victims of genes because it’s our consciousness that controls these genes. And if we change our consciousness such as in the placebo effect or in the negative one, remember the negative one causes illness and death that’s called nocebo. Placebo is about positive thinking; nocebo – negative thinking causes the disease. And all of a sudden, it’s like well the power wasn’t in the genes, the power was in the thinking.

Are we victims of our heredity?

And then you go oh wait a minute, it’s running in my family, don’t genes run in families you know, it’s a passed down from generation to generation? I go well yes, they do but here’s another thing that people have been noted until more recent times. Behavior is passed out as if it was genes. I’ll give you a very important example. If a child gets adopted into a family that has cancer running in the family the whole history of the family and child’s adopted into that family, guess what? That child will get the same family cancer as any of the natural siblings, but you have to remember this that adopted child has completely different genetics. What’s the point? The cancer that the child gets wasn’t related to the genetics, it was related to the behavior that was running in the family.

And I say this becomes important because you can’t change your genes. With the change of your behavior you can change the function of your genes. So, the first thing we have to reckon that genes provide physical building blocks to make a body. I go why is it relevant? And the answer is this, making a part doesn’t determine how the parts are going to be used it just makes a human body. How the body is going to be used is related to how that individual that body responds to the world around them. You change your response and you can change your behavior and you can change your genetics, okay?

So, the most important thing is this. If people believe that their behavior is interfered with by their genes this is a big error. In matter of fact here’s a number of statistics I like put this right up front when it goes like this. Less than 1% of all disease and its function less than 1% come from genes. I said well where’s all the dysfunction and disease coming from? It goes environment and perception.

Okay, so, at this point if we’re having issues with social anxiety which is a behavior consequence I can’t blame it on a gene. The gene makes a body part doesn’t say how the parts going to be used just makes a part. Two cars come out of an assembly-line exactly the same, parts are all exactly the same. One car goes to a kid the other car goes to a mature person. I say now what? Let him drive the car. Guess what? The kid’s car is not going to do as well as the car that went to the older person I said why not? It wasn’t the car that breaks down it was breaking down because of the driver not because of the vehicle.

So, when you’re talking about social anxiety and you want to attribute that to a mechanical dysfunction is no that’s not going to fly that doesn’t work that way. It’s related to behavior. Does that make sense so far? So, before I go on any deeper Sebastiaan, do you want to clarify it?

Sebastiaan: Good, thank you. Yes, it makes sense. What I like the analogy that you brought up where if cancer if a kid is adopted in a family that has a line of cancer that that adopted child will get cancer and it’s not to be attributed to faulty genes because it’s you know, it’s not from that family. Relating that to social anxiety when people say well my dad had it….my uncle had it…it runs with us in the family as I yeah sure but what I hear you say and it’s also my experience coaching people with social anxiety, its they absorb it by seeing the behavior of the people that their caregivers their mom and dad they’re modeling it after them and they’re just downloading the information and it becomes you know, they have these beliefs through its and I’ll perceive the world.

Bruce Lipton: Right and these are behavioral programs. So, let me give an analogy and then we can work from the analogy. I go to the Apple store and I buy a brand-new iPod, the music player and on the front of the iPod is that what they call a touchscreen, so you can select a playlist and you know, change the volume and adjust the EQ and you can control it, it’s creative. So, here’s the joke. I go to the Apple store buy a brand-new iPod and I come out of the store I open the box and I take out the iPod and I touch the screen and I say play. Nothing happens. You know and that’s like oh my god just spent all this money on an iPod doesn’t even work. Some seven-year-old comes up and says “Mister, you didn’t download any music so, you can’t play any music”. So, it’s like oh before I’m able to create a playlist first I have to download the program. Okay?

How to overcome your parents’ programming

Now here’s the truth about the nature of our consciousness. When we are first born when brain is not working in consciousness for seven years it’s not even employing consciousness as an activity. You know when you put wires on a person’s head and you read the brain activity it’s called electro and cephalon graph EE. Here’s the point that when you put wires on a child’s head, the brain activity EEG the vibration called consciousness doesn’t really kick in until age seven. I said well, why? And here’s the point. So, I give you a like a joke story I say a baby is just being born and let’s pretend the baby could speak. And it’s just being born it comes out of the birth canal and we say hi welcome baby tells us something and the baby will look at you go I don’t know anything, I just got here, I have no knowledge, I have nothing. So, I say ah, you can’t make a playlist until you have the downloaded music. You cannot be conscious until you have downloaded programs to be conscious of.

What’s the point? The first seven years of a child’s life actually from the last trimester of pregnancy to the first seven the dominant brain activity is below consciousness it’s called theta. I say so the brain is not even ramped up to be conscious yet, it’s below. I say theta.

The character of theta is imagination, its evasion and they mix it with the real world. The the boy is riding a broom and as a horse and the mother says give me the broom and the boy is like I don’t even know what you’re talking about because to the boy at that moment that’s not a broom, it’s a horse, it’s a live horse. It’s imagination. Mixing imagination in real world. Or a tea party where there’s no tea and they pour our empty things and they pretend they’re drinking the tea and they got a mud piece of pie and they pretend they’re a pie and eat. And I go its imagination, but it becomes part of the real world I say that’s the character of theta.

Now here’s the other character of theta. It’s hypnosis. When a child is in theta their brain is recording everything, everything they see especially from the mother and the father because those are the primary teachers. So, the baby the infant is programmed to watch the mother and father and observe their behavior. And so, the child’s brain is like a video recorder. It’s recording how parents behave and if parents have a negative behavior what do you think the child just downloaded? Negative behavior.

So, the subconscious mind has programs that were recorded by observing your parents, your siblings and your community. You say why would nature do that? And here’s the answer very simple. How many rules do you have to know to become a functional member of a family or a functional member of a community? How many rules? Thousands, thousands. I say okay we’ll teach an infant teach an infant how many teach an infant thousands of rules? I say okay and if we can’t read again make any sense out of it. Nature takes care of it. Nature’s just said look I just record whatever I just saw I just recorded.

So, if I have a parent with a negative behavior, an anger issue, an issue that could precipitate cancer even. If I have a parent whose behavior is causing a problem and I’m a kid in that family the first thing I did is record that behavior and it’s in my subconscious mind. And I go okay well I have two minds. I have conscious mind which is connected to my identity, it’s unique to me, my conscious mind is different than your conscious mind but what is interesting is the subconscious mind is just a database of recorded programs. It just recorded from other people, it’s not even yours. So, I go okay wait, so after age seven I become conscious? I go like yeah, yeah. I go that’s it, so your conscious mind can run your life, you can be creative that’s consciousness mind is creative. Whatever you learn you learn how to walk it’s in your subconscious mind, you learn how to drive a car in your subconscious mind, you can drive a car without thinking about it, why? It’s automatic behavior.

So, subconscious is programs, automatic behavior, no thinking. You learned how to ride a bike, you learn how to walk. When did you learn how to walk? Before you were two but you don’t need to think about walking ever since you were due you could just walk automatically, it’s a habit. Okay?

Now the issue about that is if I have parents with an issue psychological, social issue and I copied their behavior. That’s in my subconscious it’s automatic it’s automatic. And you say well what about my conscious mind that’s creative and I go yeah that’s the cool part that’s the one that has wishes and desires. I don’t want to have a social problem, I want to be healthy, I want to be strong, I want to be able to be sociable and every day. I go that’s conscious mind creative. They say well how come if my conscious mind wants to be creative I’m not. How come my conscious mind wants to be socially you know a capable of handling everything and it’s not. And I go here’s the secret. When we are thinking Sebastiaan, when you’re having a thought the answer or solution to your thought is not on the outside but it’s on the inside. You know if I say to you Sebastiaan tell me what you’re doing on Saturday that you know, and then you say oh what am I doing? What am I doing? He’s thinking I got well here’s the problem.

When conscious mind is thinking by definition it’s going inside to think. So, it’s not paying attention. So, if you’re walking down the street and you have a thought, guess what? At the moment you have a thought conscious mind it’s not looking at the sidewalk not looking at anything. This conscious mind went inside. I say but does that mean you stop walking I got no here and here’s the clue. Subconscious mind is like autopilot. Conscious mind is the pilot. When the conscious mind is thinking the pilot lets go of the wheel. Conscious mind is inside thinking.

So, whatever I was doing walking, talking, driving the car, riding the bicycle, whatever that’s a program I could do that without thinking. So, here’s the point and this this is so we’re getting down to the critical part here Sebastiaan and is this. 95% of the day our conscious mind is thinking like oh yeah what does that mean? The 95% of the day you’re not running your life with your conscious mind, your programs and your subconscious are running your life automatically, the autopilot. I go why is it relevant? Well, the subconscious programs didn’t come from you your subconscious programs came from observing other people. So, 95% of the day we let go of the wheel as we’re thinking, and subconscious programs kick in but that’s what my father taught me or what I learned from my father what I learned from my mother. And I said but that’s not my behavior but it’s automatic. It’s an automatic pilot.

So, we think that we’re running our life with I want to be social and I want to have a great happy relationship with people and I go that’s really great that’s conscious mind but it’s only working 5% of the time for the average person. I said that means 95% of the average person’s life is not coming from their wishes and desires, 95% of their life is coming from the programs that other people put in. You are not even living your own life. You are living your parent’s life. That’s why kids follow in their parent’s footsteps.

It’s not a genetic thing. Oh, a musician has a kid who becomes a musician and they say oh they got the music gene. There is no music gene, it’s just that the kid grew up in the presence of music and that became the download. So, when they’re not paying attention they could play the music without even thinking about it.

So, now we step back, and we look at the community then I go we have social issues. I go jeez am I causing these social issues? I go yes and no. Yes, you are causing them but not with your conscious mind, you’re causing them because 95% of the time you were playing the programs from the subconscious mind.

Now I know they had one more thing and then we’ll take a break in last questions, but it goes like this. It’s a story I have given in lectures 30 years same story and I’m gonna give it again right now and that is this. Sometime in your development you probably had a friend and you were very close to your friend, so you knew your friend’s behavior very well. And you happen to know your friends parent and one day you see your friend has some of the same behavior as the parent. So, you’re gonna tell your friend you go hey Bill you’re just like your dad then back away and Bill goes crazy – How could you compare me to my dad? I’m nothing like my dad. And everyone laughs cause they’re familiar with it and I go that is the single most profound story I can tell you for this reason. Everyone else can see that Bill’s behaviors like his dad’s. The only one who doesn’t see it is Bill because he says how could you compare me I’m not like my dad. I go I can explain it to you now and then you’ll understand it. It goes like this. And when he’s thinking he’s not paying attention to what’s going on the outside because his thinking is on the inside but when he’s thinking he automatically plays the programs that he downloaded from his father. So, 95% of the time his behavior is coming from the same program that his father had. But he can’t see it. Everybody else can see it but he can’t see it.

So, all of a sudden, it’s like I think I’m bringing my life I go no you’re not. 95% of your life is coming from that program that you got from your family. And then comes the issue and that is this how do I know what the programs are because the programming started even before I was born last trimester of pregnancy for first seven years? So, I said well what program did you get when you were one? So, I don’t have any idea, how about zero? You were being programed and I say yeah but how do you know what the programs are? You were not conscious, it didn’t start until age seven, you were just receiving download, download.

So, now I want to help people because the issue it’s simple and it goes like this. 95% of your life is coming from subconscious programs which you got from other people. So, you want to know what the programs are? Your life is a printout of those programs look it’s your life. The things you like that come into your life because you have programs to let them come into your life. But the things you don’t like the struggles that you have the things you have to work hard to make happen, the wishes that you can’t seem to get to and you put a lot of effort and I’m working real hard to make this happen. Why are you working so hard? And then there’s this because it generally means that whatever you want that program is not in the subconscious and you’re trying to work over a program in the subconscious that’s not good.

And so, you want to be successful? You work hard, you’re not successful. It’s not because you can’t be successful that’s because 95% of your life is coming from some program from a parent that says not good enough, not smart enough, whatever it is and you’re playing it out 95% of the time and you’re the one that can’t see it. I said why is it relevant? If I cannot see that I’m causing the problem, then by definition I think I’m the victim. I didn’t I didn’t do that, somebody else did that. I know, my parents, genetics did that and no it’s not me is genes. I go no, no it’s the program.

So, basically once you understand you have this issue it really is now saying how do I change that program because I hate this program and it’s not helping me and then just ways that pops here.

Sebastiaan: Yeah, good. Bruce, wait what you’re saying and I’m very intently listening also because I’m also a bit concerned about the internet that drops a bit every now and then, but I think it’s just coming across enough. I’m not sure what your experience is but on this side.

Bruce Lipton: Alright, it’s good for me on this side so I can’t see the other side.

Sebastiaan: Okay, good. Alright. The programs that you’re talking about like you know, someone who now has social anxiety and they’re like well I don’t want to have social anxiety I want to have social ease, I want to enjoy myself, I want to be comfortable but it’s the programs that they’re having that come from the repetitive negative experiences, the things that they’ve observed in their early childhood that then formed the beliefs and the programs as a result of these belief that they’re now having.

Bruce Lipton: Yes.

Sebastiaan: You know, they want to get over it but just you know, I just have to force myself to face my fears and then maybe I’ll learn that you know, I’m actually okay when I do that. But you’re swimming upstream and since yes you can consciously take control to a degree but only 5% of the time and the other you know, once you turn your back and once you’re not paying attention then the programs are running the show again, right? And you know the question is or kind of where we ended was well, how is it then that were attacking these programs or rather how do we shift and change these programs that we’re currently dealing with that are causing the problem of anxiety? And I know that you’re an advocate of energy psychology and I’m wondering what your personal experience with that was and how you got into that?

How do I change my program to overcome my social anxiety?

Bruce Lipton: Okay. Well, first of all I had to understand you see, once I started getting into the genetics and then the behavior and then the programming I would love to go on lectures and say look your issues aren’t your genes, your issues are your programs. So, that gives you an opportunity to free yourself because it’s easier to rewrite a program than it is to change your genes.

However at the end of those lectures I would just say yes and in conclusion your life is coming 95% from the program and the first question at the end of every lecture was well how do I change the program? And I would that’s not my job, my job was to recognize it and the program that came from it all that and I saw this the answer and it was energy psychology, was I was giving a lecture in Colorado in the Rocky Mountains and I gave the lecture and concluded just as I just said oh, it’s the subconscious that’s in the way and it’s not your genes and thank you very much and then the first question is how do you change it and I go I don’t know how to change it.

And the fun part was as soon as I upset as usual because I thought the lecture was really great but the moment I finished the lecture they didn’t care about what I just said they just want to go now I change it? And I was feeling like God I thought the science was really great, but it doesn’t save anybody, and I was put my computer in my bag and I was going back to the back of the room and the next speaker who was coming up his name is Rob Williams and I could hear as I was walking back to my seat, he says I’m gonna show you how to change those beliefs Bruce talked about. And I go sure. It was kind of funny because he asked the audience, big audience. He said how many people would like to change a belief? And almost everybody the hand goes up you know.

And it was funny because I saw the same person that he saw, and it was a woman who like she wasn’t sure she put her hand up and like that and we both saw her. So, the fun part was I saw her and then he sees her, and he says okay you tell us your name and what your problem is, and everybody looked at her and she just turned beet red, she just turned red not a word, she couldn’t say her name, she couldn’t talk. And so, he left from the front of the room got into the middle of the audience and got next to her and had a private conversation. Her name is Pauline, we find that out and guess what her problem is? She can’t speak in public. Well, I was pretty darn obvious, she couldn’t even say her name, okay? She was so like psychologically like that.

So, I’m thinking well this guy Rob Williams is a pretty brave guy or crazy, how do you know you’re gonna fix somebody just you know you’re gonna fix somebody, you’re gonna tell us and then you’re gonna fix somebody? I thought that that’s pretty much confident. So, they go up on the stage and he show her the process which is called Psych-K and it’s ten minutes. And at the she’s sitting in a chair and at the end of the process she stands up and he puts his arm on her shoulder and turns her to the audience and says Pauline would you like to explain to the audience how you feel about that balance we just…she’s giving a lecture, she’s walking up and down the stage talking about a history talking about her family talking about everything. The joke, Rob said Pauline please sit down you’re using my lecture type and that was the first time I saw energy psychology. And what happened? Less than 10 minutes this whole fear of talking was changed so much that he had to ask her to stop talking after 10 minutes. So, it’s like whoa. And that’s my first introduction which is called energy psychology and it’s a super learning technique and it’s an ability to rewrite programs

Now the issue is this the conscious mind is the one connected to your personal identity and for those that are interested it’s spiritually connected to you as a unique entity different from everybody else. But the subconscious mind is just a record playback that records a behavior by observing it and place it back. It’s just so it’s habit conscious mind – creative, subconscious mind – habit. I go oh, well, here’s the problem. They have different functions creativity versus habit, but they learn in different ways and that’s where the problem has always come from because we thought well, if the conscious mind learns them by sure the subconscious mind should also know the same thing. I go that’s where the problem comes from. They learn in different ways. The conscious mind is creative, it can learn by listening to this program you and I are having right now Sebastiaan. Somebody could watch it and the conscious mind goes oh, wow, I got it, I understand what Bruce is talking about great. And I go the subconscious mind can just go aha and change his belief. It could watch, it could read a self-help book.

And I go so, you read the self-help book, I know you know it, why? If I can give you the test you could get a hundred and say yeah this is what the book was all about and then I say now that you’ve read the self-help book, did your life change? And most people go nope. I’ve got the smarts, but my life is still the same I got. That’s where the problem comes from. The conscious mind being creative can learn in any number of ways. Go to the lecture you know, watch a video, read a book, just even go aha and it can learn.

But the subconscious mind is too habit mind. It doesn’t learn that way. A habit is based on either of two ways the first seven years you get a habit because your mind is working below consciousness in theta and a habit theta is a direct download into subconscious. If you’re in theta you can make a new program go straight in because that’s belonging of consciousness but it’s your brain is operating in theta and an information, it’s just being directly downloaded into subconscious.

After age seven your brain is not operating theta anymore, but you could put new programs in. I say well how do you put programs in after age seven? Repetition. In other words, habit. Repeat it, repeat it, repeat it. How did you learn how to drive the car? You had to practice you had to repeat it. How did you learn how to ride the bicycle? You had to practice you had to repeat it. If you go back to an infant how did you learn how to walk? While every day you tried to stand up and every day you practice until you got it.

So, I say oh, conscious mind can learn in any number of ways, but subconscious mind learns through either hypnosis or repetition habituation. We now know there’s a third process called energy psychology that’s another way of putting programs and that’s the modern miracle in fact, okay? So, I say oh, so, therefore if I want to change the subconscious mind say reading a self-help book didn’t change it, it changed my conscious mind which learned everything I just read but it doesn’t translate into subconscious program.

3 ways to reprogram your subconscious habits

So, I say if I want to change the subconscious program I have to do one of three things. A –  be in hypnosis theta. I go what do I have to see a hypnotherapist? I go no, that’s the cool part. Every night when you’re going to bed just when the conscious mind connects, and you just drop into sleep the moment the conscious mind goes gone you’re in theta. So, every night just after the conscious mind let’s go the next period of brain activity is theta. So, if you put a pair of earphones on as you go to bed and you have a program playing on the player that has what the behavior you want and you can buy these programs, self-help programs, you can put this on every night as you go to bed put the earphones on in the moment the conscious mind falls asleep the doorway to the subconscious is open theta and whatever’s playing on that recorded message is going straight into the subconscious because that’s a state of hypnosis.

So, A – you want to change the program then at night put earphones on with a program of what you want, and that program will go straight into the subconscious and without even being involved with consciousness that’s already falling asleep, okay? So, number one it’s called self-hypnosis. Just at night put the earphones on play the program that you want.

Another way as I said the second way is repetition and that means, and you repeat what you want, and you repeat it to yourself and your repeated to yourself. I say what happens? If you keep repeating it, it is repetition that will cause a new habit to form. How you rode the bicycle? As I said the first time you got on the bike you didn’t know how to ride a bike but the more you practice the better you became and once you learned how to ride a bike you never had to learn it again. So, if I put a new program in by repetition you know, in that process of repeating making a habit there’ll be a point where my subconscious will have the new program. And I go then what? I said well then you don’t have to worry about anything. Why? Because 95% of the day the new program will be playing instead of the old ones which were causing a problem.

So, the second way of changing a belief is repetition. I like there’s a phrase that people use sometimes they say, “fake it till you make it” meaning if you want to be happy and you’re not happy then guess what every day just say, “I am happy, I am happy, I am happy”. And I say what’s going on when you repeat this I say repeating it makes a habit and after a number of days of repeating “I am happy, I am happy” guess what? The subconsciousness have already got that program and guess what? Now 95% of day that program is playing, and you don’t even have to say anything anymore but now it’s automatic. So, once the program is in the subconscious automatic no more work for you, okay? So, that’s through repetition.

Some people put sticky notes on like the refrigerator like you know be happy or do this or do that. I said that is not repetition that is not making a habit that’s more like a suggestion. When I pass the refrigerator oh yeah that’s a suggestion. I say a habit is an actual practice of repetition putting in what you want as the program, repeating and repeating it.

Okay. And then lastly as I mentioned there’s thank God it’s called energy psychology. These are mechanisms of behavior modalities that engage what is called super learning. I go what is super learning? I said well maybe you’ve seen somebody in a bookstore where they can open up a book and they move their finger down the page. As fast as they move the finger down the page that’s how fast I read it. So, they can stand in a bookstore and move the page like that and read a book in five to ten minutes, okay? And I said well if you can engage that super learning and use it to learn program then you can do it in minutes and I go this is what energy psychology is all about. By engaging that super learning, you can walk away like with Pauline less than 10 minutes radically change her entire life. I mean she couldn’t even say your name and okay that was pretty fast. And it’s just so I give people an insight my website is very simple it’s

Under resources’ I have about 25 or so energy psychology modalities in their website so you can look up any one of these different modalities and read and find the one that is interesting to you and try it out because you can rewrite the social issues in minutes with energy psychology. You know, you don’t have to this is not a burden for the rest of your life unless you don’t do something. If you don’t do anything you’ll have social problems the rest of your life. That’s a fact. You have to engage. I say well the only way to do that is to change the program – hypnosis, repetition, energy psychology.

And all three of those processes are ways of rewriting subconscious beliefs. So, I need people to understand social anxiety is not genetic, has nothing to do with genetics, it has to do with family and what’s being passed down. As much as good traits such as music from a father to a child the musician is passed down bad traits are passed down just the same way and therefore we have to let go of the victim because the moment you think you’re a victim oh, genes did this then that means you have no power. And if you think you have no power then you have no power.

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So, you really have to be have this knowledge. You know, there’s an old, old phrase very important it’s called “Knowledge is power” and people say yeah, I heard that. I go let me give it to you the same thing but in a different way a little bit it’s gone a lack of knowledge is a lack of power. And what’s the point? The point is this the knowledge we’ve been given – Oh, genes control this, it’s like that’s not true. But if you believe that then guess what? You have no power. That’s what’s the point is that’s misinformation that’s not knowledge that’s the opposite of knowledge.

So, I need people understand out there, there is no gene connected with this social anxiety problem. There’s not one gene been found, okay? And as I said genes cost less than 1% of pathologies in the first place so stop looking at the genes. And why is this relevant? Because when you know who you are when you know how the conscious and subconscious work you become empowered to create the life you want. And it’s interesting for many people there’s a period in your life where you stop playing the program in your life radically changed when you were not playing that program. I say wait what? But when people fall in love let’s save their life every day blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then they meet somebody and the next days it’s like I’m in love. I go and what happens when you’re in love? I say life is great, you’re happy, you’re healthy, the food is better, the music’s better, everything is better, and we call that the honeymoon. I said but how come your life yesterday before you met this person was you know bad and then 24 hours after you meet this person life is great? I said what happened to 24 hours? And here’s the answer, science has recognized that period called the honeymoon that happens right after you fall in love results from the fact that when people fall in love they stay conscious in their conscious mind. They stay what is called mindful.

In other words, if you’ve been looking for a partner your whole life and a partner shows up this is not the time to think, this is the time to be there. So, people when they first fall in love stop playing programs. And when they stop playing the programs all the negative programs that were in there don’t work anymore. And now they’re creating what conscious mind because they’re keeping the conscious mind holding the wheel driving the car, conscious mind has wishes and desires what they create, heaven on earth.

I go and then a problem is if they start thinking the old programs come back and the honeymoon is over with. Then you’re back to the old negative things again and that’s why people have problems. They first fall in love, life is heaven on earth and then all of a sudden it doesn’t seem to be that much heaven anymore. At some point it’s just normal life. At some point you lost it.

I go recognize the simple fact the honeymoon was the expression of what is life like without playing a program. When you can create it of course you’re going to create heaven but when you go back to the program because the conscious mind is thinking then all the old bad behaviors will show up again and your life will return to exactly the way it was before.

So, people need to know if they’ve ever even just fallen in love for a short period of time wasn’t it quite different the first few days after falling in love? It was like oh, I’m so excited about life. I go yeah, and the reason is you just stop playing the program when you’re in love like that. And all of a sudden heaven on earth is real and that’s what we want to be and now we can get to.

Sebastiaan: Nice, nice. I really like your sharing of the story with Pauline.

Bruce Lipton: Yes.

Sebastiaan: Yes.

Bruce Lipton: Yeah, it shocked me.

Sebastiaan: What a fantastic introduction to energy psychology you had.

Bruce Lipton: Yes.

Sebastiaan: Yeah, beautiful. For me it’s definitely not been as shocking as that and it has taken me quite a long time with using a wide variety of techniques to overcome my social anxiety. So, I don’t think it’s always as awesome as it is with Pauline. However, the difference that you can make with techniques like this is that you can actually go in there and start changing these programs. And Pauline might have had only this one particular program and in ten minutes it was fixed, and you might have 20 programs, or you know, 200 programs who knows?

Bruce Lipton: Let me give you an analogy because it’ll make sense of what you’re talking about.

Sebastiaan: Okay.

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Bruce Lipton: When you see a spider web you see all those links that go around in a circle and they’re all link, link, link, link, link, link. Consider each link in a spider web as they go around as one belief and I go okay I could start to work on this one belief or I can work on this one belief and knock out one of the strands and knock out a strand and do it slowly. But sometimes if you get the core belief you don’t knock out the link you knock the anchor that holds the spider web and if you just hit the anchor the whole damn web collapses. So, I’m gonna say what you had to experience there is sometimes it doesn’t collapse what the whole thing because you haven’t hit the whole issue.

You know, when her issue about the speaking issue you think well, what was that related to? When the story came out it had to do that her parents tried to you know, prove a point to her she was being fussy or something in the parents in the car said we’re gonna get you and let you out and they stopped the car and they let her out and they drove off to you know to teach her this thing. She was in panic and shock. And the issue was the communication thing was indirect because it was really her talking that led to the problem, but the problem was abandonment.

So, you know, let’s say it’s a weight problem and say you want to lose weight and you say okay I want I’m way too heavy I want this weight this is what I want, and I put that number into my head. And I say but sometimes I can’t get there. I said but I cleared the weight problem I put up better weight in my mind. Problems are not always just because of weight and food. Weight problems are because people feel they’re being abused and that if they get heavy people won’t bother with them.

You know, especially women. If they’re really pretty and slim and everything like that they’re gonna get hit on but what if they’re heavy? They’re not gonna get hit on, okay? So, many women start to eat and put on weight as a means of self-protection. So, you say yeah but I want to cure weight, I want this weight, and this is what I want to work on. I go that’s not your problem. Your problem is your protection. If you get rid of the need for the protection the weight will disappear.

So, this is the issue of like well what belief do I need to hit to get rid of the problem? I go sometimes you hit the right one boom, ten minutes later your whole life has changed. Other times as you just said you might lose okay I rewrote this piece and now I’m gonna rewrite this piece and it’s gonna take more pieces to go around versus hitting the anchor boom the whole thing collapsed.

So, energy psychology can happen really fast if you get to the exactly where the problem came from or you can beat around the bush and keep trying to clear up all the little one’s step by step. It can do it, but it takes a lot longer to do it.

Sebastiaan: Amen. Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Bruce Lipton: Yeah.

Sebastiaan: It’s such a difference than what you said about affirmations. That was the first thing that I found is like 17 or 18 and I started doing affirmations. Now you know, “I’m strong, confident and in control. I’m strong, confident and in control” but it took so much time before I started to believe it a little bit. So much repetition over and over and over and over and over.

Bruce Lipton: That’s why energy psychology for me was like wow, now that’s magic. To me it’s magic, okay? Because I’ve seen it now because that was when I met Rob that was 20 so years ago or more and the number of people that I have met in 20 years lecturing around the world. How many of them had changed their life radically using these energy psychology modalities? Like oh, wow.

Yeah, repetition works but as you said it may take a long time even the earphones on at night you might have to repeat this a long time, but energy psychology is really interesting because if you get to the right belief in minutes the whole thing could be gone. Wow, that’s a miracle the way I see it. And having changed my life I matter of fact I could not have written my book, my engine, my programming in psychology and the reason was simply this. I was trained as a conventional research scientist, genes, molecules, everything everybody knows. The biology, the science. And when I was gonna write the book I realized I was gonna write about my new ideas which brought in things like spirituality. You know, I was like oh, my God. I say what was my subconscious mind you know when I started to write the book? I get about halfway finished and I couldn’t write the book I start again got about halfway finished couldn’t write the book. I started it three times and then I realized why? Because then I did a the energy psychology test and guess what? My subconscious was protecting me. It said Bruce if you write this book all your colleagues are gonna run away from you because that’s weird stuff that you’re gonna write about and you have a career. You’re at a big University doing all kinds of research. If you write this book you’re gonna lose everything.

So, my subconscious kept sabotaging my writing to protect me but when I caught on that was a belief and then rewrote the belief, the book came out almost instantaneously. So, my struggle wasn’t to be able to write the book, my struggle was because my subconscious said if you do write this book you’re gonna have a lot of problems. And changing that belief all of a sudden, the book was written virtually instantly.

Sebastiaan: Yeah, yeah, beautiful example. You consciously were a yes to writing that book but subconsciously yeah it was a no. So, 5% was yes and 95% was no. Guess what was gonna happen in the end?

Bruce Lipton: Exactly. Well, that was simple numbers in that case.

Sebastiaan: Yeah.

Bruce Lipton: Yeah. So, to me it’s really important because when people in the community start to understand I am NOT a victim of genes because if you say you’re a victim of genes the first thing you’re saying so I have no power. And then all of a sudden, another one finds the rest of your life if you think you have no power then you’re going to be exactly that program. It’s only when you get out a victim do you have any ability to do something. By definition victim means I’m powerless and the belief in genes that was the whole problem with the old science of genetics because it told people your life is not under your control, your life is under the control of genes.

And then they all of a sudden had anything that didn’t work right was like oh the genes aren’t right it’s not me. It’s the genes and I go no, we control the genes, but we’ve been programmed. And everyone has there’s nobody that got onto this planet without being programmed. It’s nature’s way of getting kick-starting the machine. Go.

Sebastiaan: That was a little bit through up, is there something we’re going to cover or not? Yeah. And yeah, the good thing is that we can now reprogram that and yeah, things…. Bruce, I think the story that you shared, and you know clarifying how it works with the subconscious and the conscious mind will be very empowering for people to hear.

Yeah, if you’re listening to this and this is the first time you hear about this I highly recommend you go you go read “The Biology of belief”. I read the book like six or seven years ago and I was in Thailand, Chun living there with my best buddy at the time. I had just read Greg Braden’s book, “The divine matrix”. Another one that’s going to rock your world if you read that. And together we were reading “The biology of belief” and we’re going through it and we’re discussing and they’re like oh my God how is it that not everyone has this information? And it’s such incredibly empower for empowering information and it’s not just fluff or things. You know, it’s based on hard science. That’s the amazing thing. So, do yourself a favor and go check it out. It’s unbelievable.

Bruce Lipton: It’s wonderful. I saw this new epigenetic stuff 50 years ago. Now that’s when I first did the experiments that revealed genetically identical cells in different environments expressed different fate. So, I had like three petri dishes with all the cells and all three dishes are genetically the same, but I changed the environment, the culture medium which is equivalent of blood. Change the chemistry a little bit.

So, genetically identical cells in three environments and one dish, the cells form muscle another dish the cells formed bone and the third dish the cells form fat cells and they were all genetically identical. I said well what caused him to become one thing or the other? I go not the genes they all had the same genes. It was the environment and that was my first insight back nineteen be around 1970, 1968-70. And the new science epigenetics which describes everything I saw only came about in 1990.

So, I was the 20-some plus years ahead. And at first I was kind of weird but now I sit back and go guess what? Conventional science says everything that I’m saying thirty more years than they have of the same understanding, but it also makes a bigger picture than what they’re just getting into.

So, science is really moving along this pathway. And I really want to thank you for letting me speak to your community because there is no reason for people to find themselves as victims in a universe where they are creators. We are creating and we’re creating with our consciousness which changes the blood which then changes our genetics. And change it’s the same thing as in the petri dish. The cells in our body respond to the blood. That’s the original culture medium and the chemistry of the culture medium is based on our thoughts. Change your thoughts, change the chemistry. Change the chemistry, change the fate of the cells. And all of a sudden you find out less than 10% of cancer is even connected to genetics. It’s connected to lifestyle. All of diabetes type do is lifestyle, cardiovascular disease 90% lifestyle and all some we begin to realize after telling everybody for years everything was under genetic control, it’s like okay back off that’s not true. Completely false. It’s lifestyle.

You want to change your life? Change your lifestyle. And this is what you’ve been helping people with Sebastiaan and this is really critical because we can get them out of the victim category and put them into the Master category and the whole damn thing will disappear. And that’s why your work is so very critical in that community that you’re with that really needs to get a foothold on solid ground to say I am NOT a victim. Other than through the program. And once they change the program, I am the master. And that’s the future that they have when they’re ready to change consciousness.

Sebastiaan: Awesome. I think we should end it there. Excellent. Bruce, thank you. Thank you very much for taking the time and sharing this with us and I really appreciate that.

Bruce Lipton: Sebastiaan, I appreciate being asked because it’s a lot easier to talk to a group of people at once then go talk to each one individually but each one of us on this planet has to recognize we are creators, we just been programmed by other people not to create what we want. We’re creating what they had and just a very quick last thing.

Sebastiaan: Sure.

Bruce Lipton: The idea that this programming controls our life… Well, biologically this is relatively new with epigenetics but guess what? The Jesuits for 400 years have told their community “Give me a child until it is seven and I will show you the man”. What they were saying, and people didn’t even understand that was give me the child for until it is seven and the rest of its life will be whatever the program was. You give me the child until it’s seven I will show you the man meaning I’ll show you the adult. The adult came from the program in the first seven years. They knew that for 400 years and the public is now like let’s wake up folks, you have been programmed.

And this is an opportunity to get out of the program. Take that red pill from the Matrix and the red pill get you out of the program. Falling in love happens to be the equivalent of a red pill because it actually stops the program. Okay, I talked more.

Sebastiaan: Bruce, Bruce, thanks a lot. If you’re listening to this go to Check out the book and thank you very much. Thanks again Bruce.

Bruce Lipton: Thank you. I so appreciate the opportunity to be with you and thank you Sebastiaan very much.

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