In this post, I’m interviewing a former social anxiety disorder sufferer and client.
Hear about Sebastian’s accelerated transformation from social anxiety to confident business founder in only five short months.
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Sebastiaan: Hello, here we are. My name is Sebastiaan from social-anxiety-solutions.com and I’m here with…
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Sebastiaan, I’m Nihad Sebastian Jamal. I’m from Germany and I’m also an ex sufferer of social anxiety.
Sebastiaan: Wouldn’t you go figure? I just want to give you a brief introduction if you have never heard about my work. I am a former social anxiety disorder sufferer as I said and I’m also a social confidence coach. I have been coaching people with social anxiety to overcome their social anxiety and feel calm and at ease at social situations. Since 2009 I ramble really quick because I want to get into the interesting stuff.
And what is the interesting stuff?
Well, I’m going to interview this man here. He was a former client who reached out yesterday or the day before by email saying, hey I’m in Bali. Do you want to meet up?
Yeah, sure, let’s go for lunch and we were talking, and he’s been doing very well. So, I asked him the big question, do you want to do a little interview and he said well if some people could be helped by it then yes and yeah, people can definitely be helped by this. Yeah, that’s a good time.
It’s always interesting for people to hear kind of what the pre story is or what the situation itself was up the social anxiety.
Like why you reached out initially So, why was that? What was the main problem?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: For myself, it was pretty intense. From my perspective I suffered from actually severe social anxiety because at the lowest point I wasn’t really able to go to work normally, I worked from home and I didn’t leave my house for that long and I really had trouble big trouble to hold eye contact. I had a lump of my throat, not only in certain situations but over days, over weeks.
This was a pretty tough time for me.
However, I felt like it and other people might didn’t really experience that trauma or that pain as I felt it so there’s always very subjective perspective of your anxiety and I know how it feels and it doesn’t feel good. Looking back every minute that I invested in talking about my problems and doing EFT was more than worth it.
For myself that has changed tremendously. My life changed completely. It was very good before that and then certain things happened, and I suffered from a social anxiety probably over two or three years, three or four years maybe and then we started to work, and I started to make progress. If you make some progress, there’s a solution at the end of it. That was quite helpful. If I look back it didn’t take that long.
Sebastiaan: I just checked, I point to my laptop that’s here and I when I work with a client, I keep case histories. I get a client form and also at each session I make a couple of notes. It’s not that much but a little summary for myself as to what we worked on, what’s up, what I might ask my client about next time or what is it topic that I still have to poke into it a little bit.
We had 13 sessions. Usually we worked over a week apart, but I think there was longer in between certain sessions, so I think it’s more been a period over say three to six months. Wouldn’t you say so?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Yeah, yeah, like three, four or five months.
Sebastiaan: I want to know more about the actual problem. What was it for you back then in terms of eye contact? What would happen when you were in a social situation?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Well, for me everything started at work actually. Especially talking to people that were above my grade for example. I have problems first initially just talking to them without a lump on my throat so I would have not the normal voice, I would have this is pressure here in this part.
And then also when I hold eye contact, I would look down, I would look sideways, and it would be really weird just to hold eye contact like this. I would look left; I would look right, and I always tried or thought about my movements. That was the main subject in a conversation. I didn’t really concentrate on what we were talking about.
I was concentrating on myself. What did I do? How were my hands movements? I would ask myself these weird questions and I would try okay maybe he didn’t find me that weird because I was holding in contact for three seconds and all these questions.
And if you have that then you can’t really concentrate on the conversation. You have so much going around in your head that you simultaneously have to think about okay, what are we talking about? Especially at work…
Sebastiaan: And you’re not connecting.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Right, not at all.
Sebastiaan: You’re analyzing constantly. Am I doing a good enough job? Am I being weird? Is this way the right way to come across? You’re not looking that way? How do I avoid looking bad?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: How can I just hide what I have in myself? Because I am weird, something is wrong with me. That was a belief that was deeply in myself at that point. It wasn’t that case for all my life but at that time I took some evidence and changed my subconscious belief, that changed myself constantly.
At that point I was just managing my anxiety. I was just managing hiding and just trying to make a good impression to get approval from somewhere. That was a pretty intense time, pretty painful time because I think social anxiety is a really painful situation to live in. If you don’t work at it, if you don’t do something, it just doesn’t go away.
I think probably each case is different but certainly there are some causes that are same for most of them. Well, most negative beliefs for example. You just have to work on it.
Sebastiaan: Yeah, that’s right. What was the thing that was most difficult about dealing with social anxiety or most frustrating in your life?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Initially it was just identifying that it was social anxiety because I went for example to some doctors. Initially, I didn’t even know that I had social anxiety. I just knew okay, I was really up and I don’t know if it was also a little bit depressed and I couldn’t really distinguish.
I didn’t really identify the problem and then I just looked on Google I just looked in YouTube and then at some at some point I just saw a video of yours and I started actually with Tony Robbins. There’s also a very positive energy and that kind of led me to a belief that I can change my life, that there is something good out there and that it is possible to change.
That was the first bridge and then I moved to energy psychology to EFT and at the first time I looked at it and I was like okay, there’s no point I’m doing that because it’s just weird. But if you’re desperate enough then you just try it and I tried it and then I saw I was at that time I worked in a different city in Munich in Germany and I was in a hotel job.
I stayed over at the hotel for my work and at the evening I was sitting in the hotel room and I was practicing EFT and you just really feel that energy is moving in your body and that while doing it while saying all these things that you feel really relieved after that.
That was the starting point where you start to believe in it and start to see differences in life. Because I’m a big believer that you attract something in your life that you’re. The energy that you have inside of you that you track that. The law of attraction. Now it’s better and every minute was worth it.
Sebastiaan: What you said about EFT like I started trying it and I noticed things shifting in my body. Prior to that I heard Tony Robbins and that gave me the idea of wow, I really can change my life. Yeah, awesome, good on Tony. And then you try some tapping and the shifts in your body and that helped you realize wow; I can actually change.
Why I repeat that is because that’s why I make some of these tap-along videos. These tap-along videos are not to get rid of your social anxiety once and for all. Like I have people commenting on these videos saying wow, I have such a profound shift. How often do I need to tap along with this video before my social anxiety is gone forever? It’s not like that. This is just a taste of what is possible.
With a tap along like that I’m just giving you an experience of what the tapping can do but the tapping actually needs to be applied to the right issues in the right way over a period of time. Your social anxiety consists of a certain amount of aspects, smaller parts and when you say 17 or 77 smaller parts make up your social anxiety and with tapping you can get rid of one of them and another and another and another and another and your social anxiety starts to shrink and shrink and shrink and shrink and get smaller and smaller and smaller.
As a result, you have more comfort, more ease, more control, emotional control, the good kind. You’ll feel better about yourself; you’ll start to be able to actually enjoy social situations because you can connect with people you have fun and so on.
But it’s a progressive getting rid of these smaller parts and when you apply the tapping in the right way to the right targets then say that you have 77 parts. I’m just making this up as I go, don’t get attached to the 77.
Then you get rid of one. Okay, now you only have 76. That one is not going to come back anymore. So, it’s a matter of okay, take away another one. Now I only have 75. Take away another one. Now I only have 74 parts making up my social anxiety. My social anxiety comes less small. In the beginning that might be small gentle changes but sometimes you get certain parts of those 77 are this small and certain parts are this big.
And when you address one of these really big ones then you have a profound shift and then all of a sudden you find that normally your anxiety in a social situation is 9 out of 10 and it drops to not being there or it drops to like a 1 or 2 out of 10 in strength. That’s when you get profound shifts and changes, but you don’t know which part of that’s going to be so it’s a progression over time where you work on doing that. Okay, good, you reached out and you had that problem.
Tell me what you told me earlier about the credit card just because it’s funny.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: I went to your website and I just thought about, I think you offered this 20-minute talk and so I said okay, well, there’s no hurt in doing that. I signed up and then we had this the conversation and at that time it was pretty bad. I think you also felt that this wasn’t just like you can do that in one or two sessions, it’s probably takes a little bit longer. You just said well, you just get your credit card.
And I was thinking okay now he just tries to sell me but at the same time I was really desperate for help and I knew that if I continued life like that, that’s not the life I want to live. I knew I had to change. I wanted to change so desperately.
Of course, we spent so much money on different things and personal development is often the thing that you save your money most of like you don’t invest in personal development but invest in partying and I don’t know in different stuff and buying things, buying material things. But the investment that you do actually for personal development it’s one of the greatest investments.
Sebastiaan: And about the credit card I loved it. Sometimes I have people reach out and I offer a free intro chat for people that are interested in one-on-one coaching which is maybe not available anymore when you watch this video or maybe not as readily available, time will tell. But anyway, that’s what I offer and then there’s a free 20-minute intro chat and during that intro chat I kind of gauge where the person is that, I share what I might be able to do for them and I basically get an honest assessment.
Okay, can I help this person or not? And usually that’s a yes and it felt like it was going to be yes for this guy as well but I probably noticed quite some hesitation with him and I’ve had it in the past where people that then they don’t follow through. They’re like oh, I’ll do it at some point and blah, blah. And I said no, no put your money where your mouth is and send over the cash so we can get started.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: I mean you lay it off. You don’t follow through, you just say okay, well one time like I don’t know I’ll do it next weekend. I really committed to at least 30 minutes EFT each day and so for me and especially during the first sessions I talked about things that I talked about for the first time in my life.
Talking about acceptance, self-compassion, all those things. Like if you would have asked me do you accept yourself? I would say yes, of course, I’m a big guy. But if you like think about it a little longer like do you really accept yourself especially having anxiety, especially for me it was tremendous self-criticism because of certain things that I didn’t accomplish for example, I didn’t accept myself at all.
I didn’t have compassion for myself at all, no nothing. I was super hard on myself and that led to crisis and got worse and worse. Then you objectively you experience failures and you get into those failures and you make them these failures really big and then your self-worth is declining.
That was pretty intense for me and EFT was just the way to release that. Because at some point in your life it’s just ingrained in your body and all this energy.
Sebastiaan: Can I say something about what the issue was?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Sure.
Sebastiaan: What I remember you come from a family where achievement is high, it’s an important value and you’re a smart guy and it is often set to you as well that you are a smart guy. There’s a certain pressure that comes with that. As you said I suffered from social anxiety for three or four years. Because it happened after a big breakdown and it was like a period that breakdown was a period a very, very difficult period.
But that period itself while we needed to address that with tapping and whatever else we used; it wasn’t that period that was the actual problem. That was just an accumulation of an explosion of the crappy patterns that were going on under the surface already.
When we started to address that we end up talking about concepts like self-acceptance, self-compassion, not being so hard on yourself. You’re getting rid of these ideas that there’s something wrong with you. When you’re in a pretty bad way it’s a progression over time. We talked about this earlier.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: For me, I was like on the verge of the solution. So, I thought about I’ll just have to do this one thing and then every problem is just going away. I really thought okay I have to say this one sentence; I have to change this one belief and everything will be fine. Then you said actually in the first session, it can be maybe one session but it’s not usual that your social anxiety goes from here to zero but it’s like a constant development. I felt that too especially after sessions.
You have that wound and you pull it out and that hurts, you talk about things that are not comfortable. Especially if you do the sessions, your whole energy is circling around and everything it’s pretty intense. It can be that after a session that you’re just exhausted. Especially one or two days after that, it’s kind of shifting.
If you continue to do it and if you put a lot of effort in, actually all my spare time like in this really hard period all my spare time I invested in EFT and listening to podcast, listening to different videos doing EFT, talking about it.
With some people I didn’t really talk about it with all my friends but just investing time in it. If you do that then ease and solutions come your way and then you get release and you move past your social anxiety at some point.
And then in a social situation like now you just feel relaxed, you feel okay and how you are even though I still make mistakes and still have failures. It’s just a deep like ingrained belief in yourself, it’s not like a conscious thought, it’s rather a belief or like feeling.
Sebastiaan: I’ll get to the point of how you feel now and how things go and that kind of stuff but I remember there was a particular moment where you actually made a big shift positively. Do you remember that or not?
But there was one where you came my anxiety is gone, it’s so amazing, blah, blah, and then a couple of weeks after you was like yeah, but there is still some. But do you remember or not?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: It’s over a year and a half ago so I don’t.
Sebastiaan: Our last session was about a year and a half ago?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Our last session was at about nine mounts ago. At that time, it was already a lot better. We had a long pause between them.
Sebastiaan: Right, right because sometimes there’s some more things to clear up. If we keep the same example of the 77 parts, we get rid of 67 parts. Then there are still ten little more parts to go and like you said earlier I still have some anxiety sometimes. That’s just okay, there’s a little bit more to go.
Your energy is up and you’re talking about things. And yes, it can be uncomfortable. Was it uncomfortable to the point where you couldn’t handle it? Like was it super painful?
Because people might be thinking like yeah, it’s something that I can’t handle.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: This point I can’t handle it was prior to the sessions. Prior to reaching out for help because I always thought well, I can handle everything and I can do that.
Prior to that because I went through a situation for two years where my workplace was very toxic, I would say and I lived in a different city, I worked very long hours, I didn’t have family or friends in that city and it was like a toxic environment for two years. And after those two years I pretty had like a breakdown and it was pretty intense. During that time when I reached bottom at some point of course, I thought well, I’m not sure how I can handle that.
That was the time where we read about the problems and I was always curious. I knew okay, there’s something wrong here. I feel so down and I had a lot of friends before that and then after a period of time I saw okay, well, I don’t do anything with them anymore and it was just really painful time.
I wasn’t even looking for that. I was trying to have less and less social interactions. That was the most painful time. Not having a solution for this problem was the most painful experience because you feel helpless.
Sebastiaan: That is very scary.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: So, that is like okay, now I got this going but I don’t know how to soft that.
Sebastiaan: How to get out of the misery? I don’t even know what I’m dealing with.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Yeah, so that was probably the most painful part.
Sebastiaan: Let me share something about that. Yeah, it’s kind of an interesting funny story. This is maybe I don’t know six-seven years ago and I was in the Philippines at the time. When I would drink, I wouldn’t have any social anxiety so I drank a lot. A lot.
One night we were partying and then we took the bus at 4:00 A.M. after drinking and then arrived at this island at six-seven in the morning, then slept for two hours and then we took the boat after two hours of sleep my Filipino friends are hardcore travelers, they don’t beat around the bush.
We took this really noisy boat for two hours out to go to this other island where we’re going to snorkel. I went out with my fins and I had just learned free diving which is where you go down on a single breath air.
Anyway, I went down and I saw one of these fishes that they do one I’d have forgot what the name of it but they make one sweep like this and they go really fast and you don’t usually see them that often. So, I’m like wow, that’s amazing. I went on the water, followed the fish around, I did that a couple of times super out of breath, came back then walked through my friends and then all of a sudden like it felt like I was having like an out-of-body experience but not like a cool one, terrifying one. Like a complete panic. I was like oh, my God, what’s happening to me?
And I felt extremely scared I already spoke a bit of the local language but they were speaking Filipino amongst each other and I felt completely disconnected from them like there were strangers and I was like my heart was beating like crazy and I had like a proper anxiety attack, like a panic attack but I didn’t know what was going on.
So, I’m tapping. Tapping didn’t work. I was hardly calming down and then eventually we left quite soon and I was still having a panic attack. Maybe for half an hour, 45 minutes long or at least I felt still felt super, super bad. And then we left and I threw my towel into the back of the boat that we left with or my pants or whatever it was and then we took off and then soon I realized when I wanted to grab my wallet for something that my wallet was gone.
I took my pants and my wallet fell into the water. We stopped the boat and I’m still freaking out having a panic. I actually didn’t care about my wallets. Okay, there’s money in there, there’s maybe some stuff in there but I don’t care, I’m feeling really scared and I don’t know what’s going on.
I said well, anyway, we all combing through the water to look for my freaking wallet and that takes like 10-15 minutes. Eventually we gave up, we can’t find it, we’ll go back to the boat and I sit in front of the boat and my girlfriend Amy at that time said what’s going on with you?
I’m like I don’t know, I just feel really, really scared and weird and like I’m not here and blah, blah, blah and I’m describing the experiences. She’s like oh, you’re just having a panic attack. I have those sometimes at home.
That gave me like a sense of relief I’m like okay, there’s something, there’s a name for what I’m experiencing and it’s not that I’m going completely crazy and I’m totally losing my mind here. And then later on when I got home, I looked up panic attack I’m like oh, my God, all those symptoms are exactly what I experienced and then I knew what it was. Then I did a bit of research, then I started doing sessions around that panic attack since that was the first one that I got.
And then I was afraid of scary movies for a while like afraid of sensitive conversations for a bit but it didn’t last that long. That’s why I don’t talk about it so much because it was dealt with relatively quickly because I now knew what it was and now, I just brought it to a practitioner and worked on it and soon that wasn’t a problem anymore. But just to relate to I didn’t know what I was dealing with.
And also, when I started working on my issues and my anxiety and everything, I also didn’t know that I had social anxiety. I just know that felt super insecure, shame, blushing, all that kind of crap. And only later on I realized that is actual social anxiety.
It’s quite helpful to know that these symptoms that you’re experiencing racing hearth, lump in your throat, worrying about what people think, afraid of disapproval, rejection or embarrassing yourself. But that’s an actual thing that you can do something about.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Exactly. Often you feel very alone. You think you’re the only person that is experiencing social anxiety in the world and it’s just not like that. Sadly, there are millions.
Sebastiaan: A lot of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: And also, for me it was very relieving or it was a big relief for me to study the anxiety in itself. Like what is really happening?
Because at that time I just believe that something is wrong with me but those symptoms, there’s nothing wrong with them. They actually helped you or helped us for I don’t know ten thousands of years because the anxiety it’s just a defense mechanism. It’s the fight flight freeze response.
Back in the time when you, I don’t know, for example you saw a tiger and you had the same symptoms. Your heart was beating faster to put to blood in your body, the blood went through your arms and feet to run faster. Your digestion was stopped, your immune system was stopped and that’s why also people will get sick a lot faster because when they live in anxiety, your immune systems…
Sebastiaan: Your stress decreases, your immune function.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: All those things to read about them was a little bit for me was a little bit of relief that I understand okay, what is going on? And then it just comes to a certain part in your brain called the amygdala which is like a tiny thing which works actually just like a checklist. If we’re born as a baby, we don’t have that much on the checklist. I think its heights and maybe darn things.
That also explains okay, baby reaches out to a candle and the baby doesn’t know that it’s getting hot so the baby learns. Okay, I should do that. That’s also related to social anxiety because at some point we had an experience that was painful either related to social interaction or something like that or not.
Sebastiaan: Or not, often not.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Then your amygdala stores it okay, this is not safe to be in that situation. And so, I learned okay, maybe it’s just something that is saved in my subconscious and this activates all this defense mechanism but looking at it I can work on it and I can redesign my subconscious.
And if I do that then there is no need to fire off the fight flight freeze response. For me was really relieving just to understand the things because I just thought something is wrong. I’m just the one guy in the world. That’s weird.
Sebastiaan: In therapy land they say what is most personal is most universal.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Yeah.
Sebastiaan: Yeah, what we think is the most nobody deals with this kind of feeling or nobody feels like that or nobody does this weird kind of stuff or think these bizarre kinds of thoughts. Well, yes, we do, definitely. All right, how’s life been since? How are things now?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: A lot better. Of course, there are some situations where I still feel a little bit uncomfortable. There are some situations where I don’t feel that having eye contact but there are very subtle things. Right now, I’m actually I haven’t practice EFT for several weeks now and I do it once in a while when I experience a certain situation that I practice it but life has since been complete change.
Prior to the social anxiety, I would have never read a self-development book because my belief was yeah, what should they tell me about life? Like arrogant. Since then I think I have a totally different experience of life. A lot more deep and a lot more connection.
Like real connection, not just trying to I don’t know, being a good person or to experience some pleasure. But to really think about stuff and think about think about a deeply.
This has changed and besides that I changed my job. I’m self-employed now, I created a business. I’m a founder and I’ve done so many things that I probably wouldn’t have done without my social anxiety. In retrospect all this all these things that I went through is now an asset and is now something I learned from and if you go through a period like that you actually change the meaning of what you’re experiencing.
Because when you’re in social anxiety the meaning is that’s terrible and I want to get rid of it as fast as I can. But once you move past that you look back and you realize positive things about your social anxiety even though even though that sounds probably crazy when you’re like in the middle of it. But once you pass that you have a gift that you can take and you can change your life and just have a completely different experience in this world. The meaning is really changing.
Sebastiaan: Yeah, that’s the same for me. In fact, I made a video about this not too long ago saying I know you have social anxiety that’s awesome or something. It’s something provoking like that because it kind of forces you if you take the opportunity to look inside yourself and heal what needs to be healed.
You get a lot better relationship with yourself; you get a lot better relationship with other people. When you’re in suffering and you don’t know what you’re dealing with you are unconsciously suffering but once you become aware of the problem that you have and you then start taking the steps to actually get rid of that problem then once you’ve gotten rid of the problem you do so much better than how you did before you had the problem.
This is probably my worst explanation ever but basically what I’m trying to say is that most people have social anxiety and they’re like okay, I just want to not have social anxiety anymore. Yeah, all right, that’s one thing but there’s so much more to just not having social anxiety anymore. Once you no longer have social anxiety by going through that process of transformation, you’ll have such a deeper life experience.
So much more skill, so much more self-awareness, so much more maturity, so much more compassion and all of that kind of stuff. Those are benefits that that you carry with you for the rest of your life. I’m 34 now so I have a bit more perspective on this longer thing.
When I was in my 20s I wanted everything like quick, fix, now. Two weeks, one session, it should all be gone. But now I realize wow, there are certain things that when I spend a year on it or a when I spent two or three years on it that’s going to benefit me for the rest of my sixty years here. Social anxiety in most cases is something like that for people. Not saying it takes you three years to overcome your social anxiety. That is usually not necessary but I’m just saying is in general. This is a problem that’s worth putting your time, effort and energy.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: That’s right.
Sebastiaan: And how do you feel when you’re in a social situation, when you’re with other people?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Right now, I’m pretty relaxed. It always depends I’m probably sometimes someone who’s attending but I feel pretty relaxed and I concentrate now on what is being said.
You can probably think of there’s little storm going on in your head and you’re just trying to fix things in that moment and you’re not really calm and you’re not really concentrating on what is being said. This storm is now pretty much over and I’m so much calmer. There’s so much less criticism about my person that I used to have and that’s probably the biggest.
Sebastiaan: Yeah, how does that make you feel towards yourself versus how it was?
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Well, of course a lot better. If you’re constantly thinking about your movements, thinking about what you’ve done right but what you’ve done wrong, focusing on what you’ve done wrong then of course, you have a bad life experience because you’re constantly thinking about okay, I didn’t do this right, okay, I should have done that better and this becomes a subconscious belief that you’re just not good enough.
All those things I would have never thought about, these things without social anxiety. Once I addressed that it was just a big relief. Now I think more about my positive things that I did. It’s just a completely different life experience.
Sebastiaan: Awesome, nice man. I’m glad for you.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Everything of course I definitely have to say that because you paved a new way.
Coaches always say well, you did it and it was your work but we as I call the students, we also need a coach and need a teacher that is showing us a new way of life. I definitely have several of them but of course, our sessions were probably the biggest impact that I had on my social anxiety because this technique really works. So, thank you again. Every minute was worth it that I invested.
Sebastiaan: Thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, you’re right, David always says to me when I’m very grateful at the end of the session he always says to me, okay, that’s a good contract that we’ve got going. You do all the hard work; I get a little bit. I stole that from him, I say that as well. This technique and various other ones that fall under the umbrella of energy psychology it really does work, it’s amazing what it can do and I’m happy for you that your life has shifted around, not just in the socio area but also because your self-esteem increases and yourself compassionate, you just have a nicer life experience and then you take yourself with you everywhere you go.
Then other areas of your life can start to improve as well. Being self-employed and that kind of stuff. Awesome. Well, nice work, you’ve done all the hard work. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. This is going to help a lot of people. Awesome. Do we have anything famous to say? This is it.
Nihad Sebastian Jamal: Well, one thing. Maybe for me it was always helpful to see persons that went through it. That had the same problems and that was also the reason why I reached out to you because you’ve experienced all of that and you took it and you did something positive with it. If you have social anxiety just keep working on it and sometime along the way you will see differences, you will see progress and I think progress always equals happiness.
That’s also a Tony Robbins saying but I really believe that. I think once I saw progress with my social anxiety it was like a starting point. It was a completely different experience from there. So, just keep working on it.
Sebastiaan: Exactly. All right, well, this was Sebastiaan from social-anxiety-solutions.com. I also have a podcast. You might be listening to this on the podcast. If you are listening to this on the podcast, I also have a YouTube channel. That’s where this video is from. If you’re listening on a podcast you’re just listening to the audio. My YouTube channel is youtube.com/user/Sebastiaandoc.
If you’re watching this video and you want to check out the podcast where I have tons of interviews that you don’t find on my channel, you want to go to iTunes or Spotify and type in Social Anxiety Solutions.
I have a product that I just released called “Create incredible emotional control” and I also have the first ever online social confidence community. That is not open for registration right now.
I have a free social confidence starter kit where you can give this a go for yourself. You can go to my website, click on overcome SA for free or some button that I have there very specific or just click the link under this video and you’ll get 10 free videos where I teach you the basics of the technique and I guide you through an experience of it so you can feel those shifts and changes in your body. So, take action, actually do something, click there right now or do whatever else you want. Thanks again and I’ll talk to you next week. Bye for now.