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End Your Suffering with This Expert Technique



In this post, I interview expert guest Steve Wells about his Intention-based energy Process (IEP) technique.

We discuss this simple and powerful method that you can use to simply and quickly process your negative emotions and end your suffering.

Learn how you can tap into the root of the problem without a precise target by allowing your subconscious to reveal it to you.

Get clear and grounded so you can be fully present in the moment and as yourself.

Here is more of what we discuss:

-The Intention-Based Energy Process (IEP) technique
-IEP versus Affirmations
-Trying out the Core Intention Statements
-The technique in action (live demonstration)
-What you can try now…

Quoting Steve:
The Intention-Based Energy Process is a way of using your own intention to release the emotional attachments that are causing your suffering. To change the way you feel. To take the emotional sting out of your problems. And restore the body to a flow state which puts you into a place of being clear and grounded and calm. And also it helps you to access your resources so you can go forward with your confidence hat. For self-help, it’s very simple and surprisingly powerful.


Sebastiaan: Hi and welcome to Social Anxiety Solutions – Your journey to social confidence. My name is Sebastiaan van der Schrier and I’m a former social anxiety disorder sufferer and thanks to the help of energy psychology tapping and the help brilliant therapists I’ve managed to get rid of my anxiety and be at ease socially and have a good time being around others.

And on this podcast, I interview coaches, psychotherapists, scientists, best-selling authors, healers, psychologists and I happen to have another psychologist on my podcast today who’s been against a couple of times his name is Steve Wells and we’re going to be talking about his relatively new process or technique. Here’s a bit about Steve before we get into that.

So, Steve Wells is as I said a psychologist. He is trained to the highest levels in provocative therapy, has extensive training and experience in brief strategic therapy and has been training counselors and therapists for over two decades. Together with Dr. David Lake he also conducts personal development seminars and professional training workshops in advance EFT. It stands for emotional freedom techniques and provocative energy techniques. He and Dr. Lake developed simple energy techniques SET for short and the unique advanced energy-based approach provocative energy techniques. And another technique that we’re going to be talking about today and that technique is called intention-based energy process or IEP and it’s also known as intention tapping.

Hi, welcome Steve.

Steve Wells: Thank you Sebastiaan. Great to see you again.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, likewise.

Steve Wells: I need you a new biobecause we’re not really teaching EFT anymore. We’ve been using our own simple approach that you mentioned simple energy techniques for a number of years and I think the number of years I would have been training people is a lot more but anyway that’ll do.

Sebastiaan:  Exactly, I think it’s significant enough. Yeah, nice. What I was curious about to kick this off is maybe a little bit about what the technique is and then how did you find out about it? Like how did you discover it, how did it come about?

Intention-based Energy Process (IEP)

Steve Wells: Okay, so, what it is a way of using your own intention to release the emotional attachments that are causing your suffering to change the way you feel to take the emotional sting out of your problems and restore the body to a flow state which puts you into a place of being clear and grounded and calm and also helps you to access your resources so, that you can go forward with your confidence in tact. So, it’s a yeah, it’s a fantastic technique and it’s very simple. I’m a very simple kind of guy and even though I am training psychology I like to say that I’m fully recovered. So, this is a very practical technique and doesn’t require a much understanding or theory or any understanding theory. You just really do it and use it. Obviously if you want to learn to be a practitioner there’s a lot more involved but for personal for self-help it’s very simple and very surprisingly powerful, astoundingly powerful.

Sebastiaan:  That is also what I found, and I’m not even trained in it, I just took the self-help route got the coaching for a long time and I don’t even know where I heard about it maybe. I don’t think he taught it to me in person, so I picked it up somewhere and then interview or somewhere in a blog post and I like just trying out things and seeing how you go. And I found that in coaching it’s quite important what you aim the particular technique that you’re using it that you’re using at. And so, I used it as kind of like a replacement for tapping sometimes or just in a  just to see what would happen in a place where I usually would use tapping and I found it very powerful and sometimes a lot faster than tapping and sometimes it surpasses resistance that you normally would have to go around and  you have to do all sorts of things tapping and this kind of just boom. It just moves through it very smoothly it’s quite amazing and subtle but profound.

Steve Wells: Oh, yeah and sometimes the ships can be unsung and is in quite large and very surprising. So, let me just say a couple of things about what you said. One is that yeah it is a simple technique it’s easy to pick up and people should be able to take it away and use it today and you can get some results with it. Obviously, there are lots of distinctions I could give about how to get better results and all that kind of stuff. But surprisingly as you said most techniques it matters what you target well with this you don’t even have to have the precise target because what you’re doing is you’re actually you’re putting something up to your own unconscious mind and your unconscious mind will reveal the best parts of the target to you progressively rather than you having to be clever, rather than having to work out all the parts of your problem, having to define your own core issues or identify the offense where you learn this or all that stuff. That’s just too high I feel tired just thinking about only to use my technique on that.

But this is what people learn and with and this is what’s required with most techniques. They also talk about being specific well then even get kind of hung up on, “Oh, my God, I have to be really careful how I define my problem. I’ve got to get specific whatever that means”. And with this you can start as general as you like. So, you can sit, you can start with let’s say you have issues with your mother you can just start with my mother as the issue and then as you do it you’ll start getting touch with the aspects of that that are the real problem for you. Like what she said to you or the way she treated you or something incidentally you have with her, will kind of come up. And so, what it really is about is just doing it and then trusting that your own conscious mind is going to help you to move through the process.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah and to add on to that because I obviously use this quite a bunch and also just for myself just seeing and trying things out and like you said you can be very broad in general and to kick things off. Like alright let’s not be too creative here, let’s just all right I have this broad thing going on, well, let’s just aim this this technique at it and see what happens. And then as I would do that then naturally the more specific thing would come to mind or naturally the next thing to focus on would come to mind and it’s quite the elegant if you will, yeah

Steve Wells: Well, yeah, and it’s really as I say it’s about understanding that there is an unconscious part of you that the part that’s looking after you right now that’s keeping your heart beating and all that kind of stuff and just trusting that and allowing it. So, this process is using specific intentions that act as commands for your unconscious mind to release your attachment to problems and people and events and all kinds of stuff that’s upsetting you and to restore the energy flow wherever it’s disturbed in the body because when you have a problem there’s usually a body disturbance associated with that.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, okay, great. Before we get a bit deeper in in and before actually one to have my question answered about how you figured out about it.

Steve Wells: I will get to that.

Sebastiaan:  I do want to kind of ask you if someone is watching this and they’re like what the hell are you guys talking about? What I know is I should change my thoughts and I should just be mindful and then face my fears because that’s the only way to overcome your problem, right? What are you talking about intension? What is intension anyway and how is this supposed to help me and how can I overcome my social anxiety using something weird like this and what are you guys talking about? Like how do we kind of…

Steve Wells: Let me see the answer to that person’s question is all those things that they’re talking about that they need to do they have to actually have an intention to do them. So, you might set your intention and say right I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna be confident. Well, good luck because then up comes your fear up comes your problem you think your intention to go on make millions of dollars and then you confront all the issues and challenges of that for you. What this does is actually is a way of using intention as well that works. And it works because it’s actually releasing stuff that it has that’s holding you back. And so, it allows you to be able to move it forward to manifest those things and to take action on those things. So, yeah, I don’t know if I fully answered that question but…

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, for example because the people that are watching is they have social anxiety and their attention or their goal or outcome is social confidence so this isn’t a technique to deal with the roadblocks however many there are to step by step get rid of these roadblocks to move towards that outcome.

Steve Wells: Because you’re going to move towards what you want and up comes your blocks. And the blocks come up in the form of negative thoughts and negative feelings and it seems like the thoughts that are creating the fields but in fact, what I’ve learned is that the thought isn’t the problem, it’s the emotion attached to the thought that’s the problem. If you if you have that negative thought that says “You can’t do that or you’re not good enough” or whatever it is that’s holding you back and you don’t have any emotion or any reaction in the body that thought has no power of it. It can’t stop you. So, this is actually a way of releasing that emotion attached to those thoughts which releases the emotion attached to going out into situations where you can improve your life and do what you want to do.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah, it’s amazing it’s a powerful technique and I’m just thinking where to go with this if I want to explain a bit more.

Steve Wells: So, I answer your other question because yeah, I find it a little bit. The other question was how you did kind of discover this. Okay, so the way I discovered this was that I was I had I got this heel spur and it was really painful and I couldn’t move without pain. It was just what really what add spirits like an extra bit of bone that attaches to the back of your heel and then every time you step on it, it causes you pain right? Okay, calcium gets deposited there. Anyway, it’s really painful and apart from the fact that I was held back by that and I was having to spend lots of time sitting down lying down and not being able to move, I also felt like I wasn’t really moving forward in my business, I had a book that I’ve been writing for had bet had been writing seemingly forever and it hadn’t got published and all the stuffs. So, I was really frustrated upset annoyed irritated and all those things, so I started doing all the things that I knew to get through this. I was doing tapping, right? So, I’m tapping on acupressure points and and we use a simple form of tapping which is similar to EFT, but it doesn’t involve some of the set-up statements that EFT uses and all that stuff. So, we’re just essentially tapping on these points and then just following where the thoughts and feelings got and this process that we’re going to talk about you can do it with or without tapping I like to do it with tapping because it works better. It’s a beautiful integration that occurs.

So, I’m doing this tapping I was also working through some processes by a guy named Robert Middleton who is actually a marketing coach and he’s done a lot of stuff on non-duality and all that kind of stuff and he’s also into Byron Katie who I really love her stuff she wrote a book called “Loving what is”. And she has a process she calls the work where you look at the thoughts that are upsetting you and you basically question whether they’re true and when you realize that they’re untruth of them you’re relieved from being out with it being hooked by them and her process is very effective.

Plus, I was using an approach called logo synthesis which you’ve interviewed William llamas on this series. I was using he re a shaking technique designed to shake the tension around. I was just throwing everything at this. And anyway, that stimulated to pick up Byron’s books and on one of those pages this thing just jumped out at me and it was this statement “It’s not the thought, it’s the attachment to the thought that causes the suffering”. And I had to realize ocean yes, it’s not that thought it’s the emotional attachments that causes suffering. So, you think the thought about going out let’s say and up comes the fear. Well, it’s actually the motion attached to that that’s the problem that’s triggering the fear. And so, when tapping works you can have that thought about going out and the fear that was attached to that thought it just isn’t there, okay? So, when tapping works it releases the emotional attachments.

And I thought well, yeah, also the tapping restores the energy flow. And now I just had this kind of question in my mind, “If you can do it with tapping can you do it with direct intention?” So, I just formed the specific intention I focused on one of my problems I can’t even remember what the problem was I focused on the problem and I simply formed the intention “I release all the emotional attachments. All my emotional attachments to this problem”. And I felt instant release.

And I mean the first time it happened I thought “Oh, that’s happy real”. Like I just talked myself into that or whatever and so then I tried it on another part of the problem and I focused on that and that thing that was upsetting me and I said, “I release all my emotional attachments to that”. Same thing. A real palpable shift in how I was feeling.

And then after I just started doing it on everything that was upsetting me and it just like phoom, phoom, phoom. Just moving through this like hot knife through butter and then at one point I felt this feeling almost in my chest and I was focusing on a problem when I felt the feeling of it in my chest, it was really contracted and I thought “Yeah, okay, so, when we when we focus on when we have our problem we have a disruption in energy in our body, we feel it somewhere as a disturbance”. And other whirlwind tapping works it works by restoring the energy to flow. And then I thought well, what if you could use intention on that? So, I simply focused on this constriction in my chest and I formed the intention, I restore the right energy flow to my chest. The expansion, deep breath, no more constriction. And I thought whoa this is ridiculous, this can’t be real.

Anyway, I just kept trying and everything I try, it was working. I noticed at that second statement about restoring energy flow. Now one didn’t know his work the first throw sometimes I had and what I’ve now discovered is you have to release enough attachments. You have to release enough hooks to get access to be able to restore the energy flow. This the disturbance is caused by all the things that you hook by seeing. And so but sometimes you can just start with that you notice the disturbance in the body you just say I restore the right energy flow to this area and oh there it is.

Okay, so then I’m like okay this is crazy and but it’s working and it’s worked on everything I’m trying it on so I go to my wife and she’s used to this after all these years and I said I’ve been playing around with this new technique, do you want to try it on something? And in the old days she would have said no but now she’s like sure and she tried it and she found it instantly and then we did it again and it worked again.

And so, now I’m starting okay not just me but her but then again, she’s connected to me whatever. Next time I’m talking on skype kind of like this with a friend of mine he’s talking about an issue with the family member and I can see he is really upset by this and I said like just try this this sentence this intention statement. And so, he says I release all my most attachment to this issue with this person. He says it was so palpable the difference that he felt, and he was able to go and deal with that situation no problem. So, now I’m thinking okay all right that’s three out of three of us and let’s start seeing what else happens, share it with other people or shared it with a couple friends started experimenting with clients and now we’re like two and three-quarter years down the track from when I made this discovery and it’s working consistently with all kinds of people from all over the world. I’ve discovered a few extra statements, a few different ways of using it. This it’s not like there’s only one way you can use intention to help yourself.

Willem Lamas has a whole approach different to mine which is in just a similar type thing of using intention. Works very, very well. Now Dr. Larry Nivens approach be set free fast that has asked you no intention, but it just provides a long and fairly complex direction to your unconscious mind as part of the process whereas my one is really simple. And you have to be able to remember it and use it and they do.

Sebastiaan:  Now awesome.

Steve Wells: If you want to steal it a couple of specific sentences which he used to target the problem, and these are intentions or commands to your unconscious mind and I believe what happens is you give your unconscious mind this command it just carries it out for you.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, it’s amazing because you learn so much about the subconscious and it’s like well, it’s my subconscious that’s the problem, yet great but how can I ever access that, or I could ever deal with that and what am I gonna do? I’m going to do these affirmations forever I’m visualized before I go to bed. How do I access it? Do I need to see a hypnotherapist and is that gonna work? And so, there are actually always actual techniques of how to communicate with the subconscious and this is one of them.

IEP versus Affirmations

Steve Wells: Oh, yeah. Oh, I’ll tell you what. This is very different to some of those other things because like making an affirmation is an attempt to create a specific intention or to give your unconscious mind or your subconscious mind a direction to take you in a direction or whatever. The challenges that are often encounters resistance and I believe why that happens is because with those things you’re trying to create an attachment and those things knock up against the attachments that you already have. So, you try to say I go out and I’m really confident and, in your mind, goes “No, this is reality”. And this is not about creating an attachment over the top of something else which is the disturbance it’s actually about releasing this stuff that’s getting in your way so that you can go forward and do what you want. And I believe it’s also it’s kind of like unplugging yourself so that your natural energy can shine forth and flow.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah. Amen.

Steve Wells: When you set intentions you, you’re able to go for them because there’s not nothing holding you back and it’s in an alignment with the direction that your energy is flowing. It’s lined up with your underlying values and purpose and all that stuff that’s meaningful to you.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah, it’s great. How do they formulate the next question? When people already know tapping… by the way if you’re if you’re watching this and you don’t know, you don’t even know what that is it’s a psychological form of acupuncture and stuff with the needles but instead of using needles like Steve kind of demonstrated earlier you tap on certain acupressure points in the body. And what that does is it kind of disconnects the emotion from the problem that you’re thinking about and studies have shown that the tapping sends a little signal to the part of your brain called the amygdala which regulates your hormones and it decreases the production of cortisol stress hormone and it increases the production of serotonin, your happy hormone. These biochemical responses create a sense of calm, so you think about something that’s upsetting you, you do the tapping and that upset is starting to calm down you kind of bring yourself back to emotional balance. In my experience something similar happens with Steve’s technique just sometimes faster and sometimes easier.

Steve Wells: And the other thing is you combine this technique with tapping you get the best of both worlds. So, you have a beautiful relaxation a beautiful balancing and a beautiful harmonizing effect from the tapping and that works with this process. And so, you can move through the different aspects because some problems have lots of parts to them and there’s lots of aspects to work through to be able to be completely free and this helps you to move through aspects much more quickly.

Sebastiaan:  Exactly, exactly it’s also the reason why we’re doing this interview because social anxiety is one of these problems that just has a lot of function hooks and corners and crannies and aspects to it. So, I think there’s going to be a great addition to people’s toolbox.

Steve Wells: I want to say something here because I know a lot about anxiety because I’ve had anxiety my whole life and I realize now looking back probably got drawn into psychology because I thought that that would help me. And some things didn’t some things didn’t, but nothing really ever helped me like tapping did. That was when things started to really, really shift for me. I had some other things that really work for me like so provocative therapy with Frank fairly that just completely blew me away and that was probably more help with my not feeling accepted not feeling loved kind of issues. And the tapping has helped me with anxiety. Really, really helped me.

And then even with tapping it wasn’t until I got enough of it happening that I started to really get some things to ship. So, something’s improve right away and other things that didn’t seem to matter how many times I tap that just wouldn’t help me. And then when I got enough in my system where I realize I’ve got to do it on a regular basis. It’s like go to the gym. And so, we call his energy toning if your stress level your regular anxiety level is up here, and your confidence and life energy is here you’ve got to bring your set point down by doing it enough otherwise it’s kind of slips back. You’re good you’re good today but tomorrow you’re back again anxious where you were before. So, we now believe Dr. David Lake and I that a certain amount of doing this on a regular basis will turn and turn your energy system so that it turns down you’re anxious, stressed, worrisome energies and tunes and tones up your life energy confidence, optimism, all that kind of stuff.

And when you’re like this, your negative thoughts seem real and they hook you in and when you’re like this you have the same thought just doesn’t affect you.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, thanks for a repeating that and now they know for sure that those were out my words because I’m pretty much copied exactly that. I’ve told them it comes from you guys but yeah, exactly, that’s the experience as well. Yeah, when I first went to you guys in a workshop, four or five years ago that was one of the things that I walked away with as well. As like you need to get not tapping into your system and just the stimulation of these acupressure points for an hour a day, 15 minutes here, 10 minutes there that in and of itself is gonna make a difference. And a lot of people are not doing enough tapping and they’re like “Oh, I don’t exactly know how to do it so I’m really trying to simplify things for people”. I’ve also introduced them to a CET.

Steve Wells: Well, this is also because some of the BS in the field and I’m referring to belief systems that everybody holds which is also amount of BS is the assumption is that the only every problem if you find the kind of linchpin and you release that hold on and behold. You’ve had this problem your whole life but it’s no more problem. And that can happen with a specific phobia and it can happen with some things that don’t have many aspects to them. But when you’ve got something with these many aspects this pervasive there’s lots of things to release.

And so, there’s two ways to use tapping and it’s also, well, with the intention process you can use that in the same way but it’s basically so many times you get hooked during a day you can just release those hooks and you can do that specifically. But if you just tap and just bring down your stress and bring up your good chemicals and your good brainwaves and your good energy then hey, you’re gonna be in a good space most of the time. And just like going to the gym, you keep it up and you end up with an emotional fitness and you’re much better able to meet the challenges that come up.

Sebastiaan:  Excellent, excellent. Let me see… So, how can we give people a little introduction to it today?

Steve Wells: Well, first of all we can talk about what it is but it’s good if you want to do an example.

Sebastiaan:  Let’s do it.

Try out the Core Intention Statements

Steve Wells: So, first of all, the two main statements. The two main intention statements. Number one, I release all my emotional attachments to this problem. I got this on a slide, if you want, I can share a slide with that. And that way… Oh, hang on I need to come back to the screen to be able to do that.

So, here are the core intention statements in this process which are called IEP – Intention-based Energy Process a.k.a. intention tapping when you combine it with tapping. So, you can you can make their statements with or without tapping. The first one is “I release all my emotional attachments to whatever is the problem”. Whatever is upsetting you, whatever is disturbing you. It could be a problem, could be an event, could be an image, could be a belief that is affecting, you could be a thought that you’re upset by, could be a person, whatever it is – “I release all my emotional attachments to X”. And then whenever you have a disturbance with your body, I restore the right energy flow to Y in the body area. So, I restore the right energy flow to my chest, I restore the right energy flow to my stomach, I restore the right energy flow to my throat, wherever you feel there is a disturbance.

And of course, just like for those who do know tapping you may have to apply this to lots of different things. So, you just keep applying it to whatever comes next. You start with the problem and the problem is gonna be a thought or a feeling. If it’s a thought, then you can say “I release all my most attachments to this thought”. If it’s a feeling you can say “I restore the right energy flow to this area in the body that’s disturbed”. And so, that’s it. That’s 95% of the process right there and those two core statements are going to do most of the work in this.

Now as I say there are other things that I’ve developed and people who want to look at those they can go and look at some of my webinars and other programs where I go in more depth. But you would be surprised listener or watcher you just go and try those statements on a whole bunch of things and then just notice what happens. The key is to have something that’s upsetting, you focus on it, use the statement and then just let it work and wait and see what happens. And you can watch this when I deal with people, you can go and look at some of the webinars and stuff where I’ve coached people and you’ll see those…

Sebastiaan:  Quickly, where would they see that? Where would it be?

Steve Wells: Okay, so, mine place is So, EFT is the main tapping approach and so, we have a lot of information on that website about EFT our SET and now about IEP. And the most recent stuff is on the block so if they go to the blog, they’ll find that these recordings of webinars, they can watch through those they’ll see me coaching people using this approach and they can try it out. And so, that you’ll see when someone say, “I release all my most attachments to this problem” and they invariably they go. And that can happen sometimes instantly, sometimes it happens after 10, seconds 20, seconds, 30 seconds but it does happen when you apply it to a target usually which is upsetting you.

Sebastiaan:  Right and it’s not the magic of Steve’s voice.

Steve Wells: Oh, no, no.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah.

Steve Wells: Because I’ve got practitioners groups and I have people like the other day, I got a couple of people to work with each other’s. The lady was seen this group had been up with me in Manchester at my workshop there and she was using with people I thought “Wow, she’s doing a better job with this that I would be doing right now”. And I said you’ve used you had such great fidelity to the method which is just waiting to let the response happen in the person and then follow what comes next.

But we’re talking today about self-help and most people are going to be very surprised I just say when you learn it, just use it like buckshot on everything that’s upsetting you and sometimes you’re going to notice some really incredible shifts.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, and the beauty of this is that it’s very hard to do this wrong. There’s not much that can actually go wrong or anything that can go wrong. It’s just saying a statement to yourself, you’re focusing on a particular feeling that you have or a thought that you have that is upsetting you. You just aim the statement at it, you say to statement then you wait and see what happens and that’s it. I mean you just focus on the next thing that comes up. You aim the statement at that and you just go at it like that. It’s very simple.

Steve Wells: Yes, and my preferred way is to do it while tapping on these acupressure points.

Sebastiaan:  Right. Yeah.

Steve Wells: Maybe you’re combining the body harmonizing effect of tapping with this process. And sometimes for example, you you’ve got let’s say you’ve got a film in your chest you don’t know what’s causing it. And so, you can say I restore the right energy flow to my chest and it may not be gone very far but if you’re doing the tapping, the tapping will also be starting to help that feeling to move in the process. And so, it’s the best of both worlds you’re using two techniques that work really well together.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah, awesome. What else did I want to say? Oh, yeah. So, up until now the demonstrations that I have done have just been tapping because I kind of wanted to wait until I interviewed the master of the technique, but I’ve been used to in my clients for I think over a year so I’m quite well-versed in it. So, with the upcoming live webinars in our community I’ll be using it you’ll be seeing some demonstrations of it there also. I just wanted to throw that out there. Yeah, I think that was quite…

Steve Wells: Do you want to show them what to do on something like I’ve mention it before? If you want to, we can. Or they can certainly go to my website and watch the coaching demonstrations there, that’s fine. It’s either way.

Sebastiaan:  Okay, the only thing is to quickly find something that’s bothering me. I’m gonna quite in a jolly mood.  Let me see…

The IEP technique in action (demonstration)

Steve Wells: I’ll just suggest something for you if you like. So, we say if you’re going to discover your own conscious blocks, the best way is to think of a big goal and then your box will come up because the minute you set a goal which is a challenge to you, your unconscious blocks will start to come to the surface. And so, you can you can think of that and notice what comes up.

The other thing is to think about what irritates you about other people because that represents a block to you. And the other one of course is to get into a relationship which is usually an issue for someone with social anxieties. The issues of relationships but yeah…

Sebastiaan:  Okay, now we got one then. Just it’s reminding me, I’m talking to David tomorrow just remembering what I’ve written out.

Steve Wells: Dr. David Lake for those of you who don’t know, you’ve been doing some supervision and mentor and getting some interest.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah. I’m writing down the things that irritate me about other people. I had a frisbee tournament this this week, this weekend in Jakarta and at the end of that, you have to stand in. So, you play a game at the end of that you have to stand in a circle and then you all kind of hold hands group together and then the leaders of each team start to complement the other team like “All you guys, you did a really great job” and like that makes me cringe.

Steve Wells: Yeah, it’s like kind of false positive or gosh… Something like that.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah and just like… Yeah, exactly but I feel that I have a reaction to that.

Steve Wells: Okay. So, we didn’t just notice that you have a reaction and then the reaction is either in form of a thought that says, “Oh, that’s just stupid” or whatever it is or it’s a feeling in the body. What do you notice?

Sebastiaan:  No, that’s actually a bit of a feeling of disgust. Like they do a little yell and I mean that that’s probably a Dutch word, I’m not sure if that’s an English word as well but like higher, higher, rings are on fire. Kind of like that stuff.

Steve Wells: Even just focus on the thing itself because the thing itself hooks you, right? So, you just tap, and you can just say “I release all my emotional attachments”.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, it’s a feeling of disgust. That’s pretty much it, not super…

Steve Wells: But actually, the thing that’s triggering the feeling of disgust is the “Higher, higher, rings are on fire” kind of thing, right? So, you can just say, “I release all my emotional attachments”.

Sebastiaan:  “I release all my emotional attachments”.

Steve Wells: “To higher, higher, rings are on fire”.

Sebastiaan:  That’s “To higher, higher, rings are on fire.

Steve Wells: And then just let that percolate for a minute and just notice what happens.

Sebastiaan:  Kind of softens things.

Steve Wells: Okay. And so, of course, if you were just doing the tapping the tapping might also soften things. And so, in this case we can’t say that one is working different to the other but as you’ve used this without the tapping right and it could be the same kind of effect. But all right, so, yeah, when you have that it’s kind of a harsh reaction that happens inside you. And that’s the challenge with anything like this. You have the reaction and you’re the one who suffers it. Now everyone else is just doing what they are doing.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah.

Steve Wells: They’re still looking for their thing and you’re suffering.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, exactly. They’re going at it with full force. Like do I have to participate with this?

Steve Wells: Okay, so, just say “I release all my emotional attachments”.

Sebastiaan:  I release all my emotional attachments…

Steve Wells: “To do I have to participate with this”.

Sebastiaan:  To do I have to participate with this.

Steve Wells: So, guess whatever thoughts there you can just put that into this this thing and then just let it go wherever it goes and just notice what comes next.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, so this time I noticed that I kind of took a deep breath even before the less obvious one that you just heard.

Steve Wells: Exactly, I was gonna say if you didn’t say it. I noticed that was kind of a soft deep breath and then you took more clearing kind of thing. Yeah, so, this is anybody who can observe that will notice that if they just pay attention. Okay, all right, so yeah so, you’re there you’re cringing there doing that thing. You’re thinking do I have to participate with this? What else are you thinking that might be?

Sebastiaan:  Like overly fake losers.

Steve Wells:  Okay, all right. Just say, “I release all my emotional attachments”.

Sebastiaan:  I release all my emotional attachments…

Steve Wells: “To these overly fake losers”.

Sebastiaan:  To these overly fake losers…

Steve Wells: “And their stupid games”.

Sebastiaan:  And their stupid spirit circle…

Steve Wells: Okay and just let that do whatever it does. And just notice because what happens is one aspect is there and then as that kind of fades away or lose something else might come up it might be a feeling in the body it might be another thought, another memory, another image, whatever.

Sebastiaan:  When I just started out with tapping like no more than a decade ago, I had difficulties tuning into my emotions, I could hardly read them. Let’s say at ten years of intensive therapy and self-help and yeah, a fortune on the healing later I’m very sensitive to it now. So, I can really sense what’s happening very well, so I noticed that my body was relaxing. I was taking a breath in the warmth, there was kind of warm starting to move through like my underarms and a softening kind of like more warm glow start to happen. And it’s also maybe even for someone who’s quite aware of subtleties. Even my state is different a more calm coming across more…

Steve Wells: Usually when people do this they start with the thoughts or the things that are upsetting them and then they start to tune into their body. That’s what I’ve noticed. And so, if you’ve noticed okay you’ve noticed that it’s Karma is there somewhere that it’s still feeling a bit disturbed or contracted?

Sebastiaan:  My lower arms yeah but I’d like the half of my lower arms.

Steve Wells: Whatever it is just say “I restore the right energy flow”.

Sebastiaan:  I restored a right energy flow…

Steve Wells: “To my arms”.

Sebastiaan:  To my arms.

Steve Wells: And then just let that do whatever it does and just notice. And the feeling is are they gonna be designed where it’s gonna be different. It could be the same.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, there’s nothing noticeable uttered and maybe a little bit of a… how would I called that? Like a sprinkly sensation or like a tantalizing sensation at the location though. It still feels very similar.

Steve Wells: Okay, alright. So, this is what I mentioned about this second one. So, sometimes people are going to do this second one and they’re not gonna notice much of a shift.

In that guys just going back to all the things that are upsetting you about the problem and do some more work on that and then notice what happens, okay? But it’s good to throw that one in if you’re ever aware of something in the body because sometimes it just clears it straight away.

Sebastiaan:  And to add on to that this is also not something that came up just by talking about this thing. This thing that I brought up is a non-issue in my life doesn’t really bother me that much and the arm issue or like the feeling the stress in my lower arm is something that’s there frequently, so it might very well not be related.

Steve Wells: Well, yeah, and it might be there’s many aspects that are contributing to that feeling of the arm right this is area where your problems kind of get like hide themselves in your body or where the disturbance happens to you for whatever reason it could be. For someone else could be the chest like I quite often notice it’s a chest constriction a stomach problem at the throat and I work with the guy just this morning here and it’s always a throat for him and when he when he has a release he starts burping and sighing and all this kind of stuff.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, I had that too actually my second client ever is a massive buddy builder and he would burp after every single round of tapping and not just like a little burp like legs long ass seven-second-long burp. That was amazing.

Steve Wells: That’s a good release. Yes, so, that might be caught of that problem is like all that problem is kind of leading you into a bigger program of things that bringing you upset you disturb you irritate you whatever.

Sebastiaan:  Nice. I think that’s quite a good example for people.

Steve Wells: I think it’s enough here because and they can go online if they want to see me working more in-depth with people for longer and with lots of different types of issues and stuff. But yeah, yeah, anyone who’s observant enough would have seen you kind of you when you said you took the two deep breaths first thing I noticed was kind of a kind of lowering and kind of like been letting down of a bit of tension as well as the breath. It was a much more gentle soft thing.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, also my experience yeah. All right, well, if there is anything, I didn’t ask you about this process that I could have asked you that would have allowed you to share something important about it then what would have asked you and what would the answer be?

What you can try now…

Steve Wells: Okay, well, one question is what do people do now? And my suggestion would be that they just go out and try it on everything just like Gary Craig used to suggest with the EFT. Okay, I don’t recommend you try it on physical conditions without getting those diagnosed and engaging with the right kind of physical treatments, but emotional stuff just try it on everything that’s triggering you and you might be surprised. And like I say to beginners just do it like buckshot, buckshot kind of shoot everything and then some things that’s going to land and you go wow just hit the target there. And don’t think you have to be clever with it.

So, all you have to know is that you have a problem and then just try it on that problem. And here’s the thing, trust what comes next because what happens is yeah, someone says oh I release all my most attachment to my mother and then they have this kind of memory of  when your mother told them off and they go I can’t release all my emotional attachments to that then they have a something which seems to have nothing to do with it.

Like when they were five with one of their friends and they ended logical mind “That’s not the issue” but actually it’s in the same emotional basket so just take what comes from your unconscious and then apply this to that next and you just keep following what comes up and you can be really surprised where you can end up.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, when a client of mine says “Well, I have this thing come up for me, but it doesn’t seem to be related to what we’re talking about”, a-ha, okay, now and now we’re going somewhere.

Steve Wells: The question is “How do they do more?” And that is that they can go to the website look on the blog. Also, I have another website Energy of Success Academy I might send you the link to that as well. And of course, I’m traveling around different parts of the world heading to Italy in a couple of weeks actually. Next February be up in Belgium again next April heading up to Toronto so and probably will do something in the US while up there as well. And then later next year heading back to the UK so lots of different ways. Also, people in Australia, I come to Melbourne every year to Sydney every year do something in Perth where I live so there’s plenty of ways to connect up with a program. And lots of we’re doing like this now I’m working with people, I’ve got some groups running and we take them through the process in my book “100% Yes” which I got written doing this thing literally.

It’s funny business because before that I’ll sit them on friendly I just couldn’t get it finished I said I’m about 80 % yes on “100 % Yes” and it’s doing with workshops on hundred I said yes I just couldn’t get the book finished and it’s just allowed me to apply it to what was holding me back from finishing it, the thing got done and now I incorporate this in that process and it’s really powerful.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, awesome. Just wanted to say quick thing if you get a chance to actually go to one of these workshops that Steve does, go do it. It’s really awesome. I’ve been to maybe seven or eight of them and it’s a combination probably of all of his techniques but one of the things as well it’s provocative energy therapy. I’ll talk for you for a second but it’s a combination of provocative therapy and tapping and they called people to the front and they’ll do one-on-one sessions and everyone in the group observes and taps along a little bit like the live webinars that we’re doing actually.

I’m just a beginner at this compared these guys who have been doing it for decades and decades and it’s hilarious it’s fun and it’s highly transformational. It’s two or three days and after those two or three days you come out a different person and things will shift around for you. So, I highly recommend you check that out.

Steve Wells: That’s the difference in incorporating the energy techniques, is that you don’t just get a like rah, rah, rah feeling which just goes away. You actually get some internal shifts so the things that used to be problems they’re not they’re not problems anymore. We like to have a bit of rah, rah, rah as well but it’s actually more fun, fun, fun. And yeah, most people who are doing therapy type stuff for counseling stuff or coaching stuff there’s just not enough fun in it so here the provocative approach really puts a lot of fun in there.

And I incorporate this intention-based energy process of the intention tapping with that and there’s also ways I’ve been doing it even more fun wise and more profitably as well.

Sebastiaan:  Yeah, yeah, cool. And I reckon that they can find out about where are you going when you’re going and all the details on the EFT down under as well.

Steve Wells: Yeah, just look under events and what we’re doing is going to be on there.

Sebastiaan:  Alright, well, Steve thanks mucho. This was great. I really appreciate it. Yeah, we’ll talk soon.

Steve Wells: As always great to connect with you.

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